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مشاهدة النسخة كاملة : was arrazi kafir?????



sami hani alahmad
19-06-2005, 17:57
sorry i dont have arabic keyboard.
I found this on this website

http://muktadhara.net/page53.html

it says"
On Prophecy has not survived, but we know that it maintained the thesis that reason is superior to revelation, and salvation is only possible through philosophy. The second of Ar Razi’s heretical works has partly survived in a refutation by an Ismaili author. Here are its principal (and audacious) theses:

(1)All men are by nature equal and equally endowed with the faculty of reason that must not be disparaged in favor of blind faith; reason further enables men to perceive scientific truths in an immediate way. The prophets-these billy goats with long beards, as Ar Razi disdainfully describes them-cannot claim any intellectual or spiritual superiority. These billy goats pretend to come with a message from God, all the while exhausting themselves in spouting their lies, and imposing on the masses blind obedience to the "words of the master." The miracles of the prophets are impostures, based on trickery, or the stories regarding them are lies. The falseness of what all the prophets say is evident in the fact that they contradict one another: one affirms what the other denies, and yet each claims to be the sole depository of the truth; thus the New Testament contradicts the Torah, the Koran the New Testament. As for the Koran, it is but an assorted mixture of "absurd and inconsistent fables," which has ridiculously been judged inimitable, when, in fact, its language, style, and its much vaunted "eloquence" are far from being faultless. Custom, tradition, and intellectual laziness lead men to follow their religious leaders blindly. Religions have been the sole cause of the bloody wars that have ravaged mankind. Religions have also been resolutely hostile to philosophical speculation and to scientific research. The so-called holy scriptures are worthless and have done more harm than good, whereas the "writings of the ancients like Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, and Hippocrates have rendered much greater service to humanity."

(2) "The people who gather round the religious leaders are either feeble-minded, or they are women and adolescents. Religion stifles truth and fosters enmity. If a book in itself constitutes a demonstration that it is true revelation, the treatises of geometry, astronomy, medicine and logic can justify such a claim much better than the Quran [the transcendent literary beauty of which, denied by Razi, was thought by orthodox Muslims to prove the truth of Muhammad’s mission]."



is this true? i cant believe this really

فراس يوسف حسن
20-06-2005, 10:05
Brother Sami ,
peace be upon thee
thank u for your enthusiastic spirit and thank u for being inquistive ( truth chaser
I want u to notice that Arrazi here in this biography is the physician ( who died in 925
not the sunni, Jurisprudent,Shaykh al-Islam,the imam of the learned scholars of kalam(Theology) ,Muhammad ibn Umar ibn al-Hasan ibn al-Husayn Abu Abd Allah al-Qurashi, al-Bakri, al-Taymi, al-Tabaristani al-Shafi, known as Ibn al-Khatib and as Fakhr al-Din al-Razi ,(died in 606) -may Allah bless his soul.
I have no idea obout the physician"s blasphemic doctrine ,but I can assure u that the writer intended sth unrighteous by mentioning him as "the greatest freethinker in the whole of Islam" while he believes in no creator for cosmos ( universe) , prophets or holy scripts descended from heavens.
and listen to him says "It is clear from the preceding account that Ar Razi’s criticisms of religion are the most forceful that appeared in the entire Middle Ages, whether European or Islamic" . what is the meaning of "the most forceful " ?
does he mean that his criticisms are true & right in reality and in themselves , and that Islam could be crticised ?
Ican assure u again that these hands are extremely dirty and blasphemic,that try to distort our religion.
so dont pay attention to the fake halo the writer used to mislead the poor- minded people .

محمد أكرم أبو غوش
13-07-2005, 11:26
Alsalam 3alaikum...

Simply, Abu Bakr Al-razi is the pilosopher and Alemam Abu 3abd Allah Al-razi the the Asha'ari one

جمال حسني الشرباتي
13-07-2005, 19:14
صاحب التفسير يسمى الفخر الرازي